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Callicles
Apparently.Socrates
Then it must be a rhetorical public speaking or do you not think that the poets use rhetoric in the theaters?Callicles
Yes, I do.Socrates
So now we have found a kind of rhetoric addressed to such a public as is compounded of children and women and men, and slaves as well as free; an art that we do not quite approve of, since we call it a flattering one.Callicles
To be sure.Socrates
Very well; but now, the rhetoric addressed to the Athenian people,
Apparently.Socrates
Then it must be a rhetorical public speaking or do you not think that the poets use rhetoric in the theaters?Callicles
Yes, I do.Socrates
So now we have found a kind of rhetoric addressed to such a public as is compounded of children and women and men, and slaves as well as free; an art that we do not quite approve of, since we call it a flattering one.Callicles
To be sure.Socrates
Very well; but now, the rhetoric addressed to the Athenian people,

