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Socrates
Come then and do your part, Gorgias: rhetoric is one of those arts, is it not, which carry out their work and achieve their effect by speech.Gorgias
That is so.Socrates
Then tell me what they deal with: what subject is it, of all in the world, that is dealt with by this speech employed by rhetoric?Gorgias
The greatest of human affairs, Socrates, and the best.Socrates
But that also, Gorgias, is ambiguous,
Come then and do your part, Gorgias: rhetoric is one of those arts, is it not, which carry out their work and achieve their effect by speech.Gorgias
That is so.Socrates
Then tell me what they deal with: what subject is it, of all in the world, that is dealt with by this speech employed by rhetoric?Gorgias
The greatest of human affairs, Socrates, and the best.Socrates
But that also, Gorgias, is ambiguous,

